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John Wunderlich's avatar

The Social Dilemma leaves out, in addition to the people you mention, any of the authors contributing pieces to the July 2014 issue of Monthly Review. It was a theme issue with the title “Surveillance Capitalism”.

See the lead piece by John Bellamy Foster and Robert W. McChesney: https://monthlyreview.org/2014/07/01/surveillance-capitalism/. This was the year after McChesney published “Digital Disconnect: How Capitalism Is Turning the Internet Against Democracy” https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=356187763897892749&hl=en&oi=scholarr

Zuboff et all are not only off the mark in their critique, but late to the game. One would do well to read "Winners take all: The Elite Charade of Changing the World" before viewing the Social Dilemman.

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John Philpin's avatar

Many thanks John, https://www.amazon.com/Winners-Take-All-Charade-Changing/dp/0451493249 just added to my 'buy' list ... and the People First blog will shortly be remerging out of the ashes - and these links will be added there. VERY much apprecuated.

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John Wunderlich's avatar

In case you prefer it spoken, the author is the reader of the book on audible. It's well done.

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LaVonne Reimer's avatar

It really is time to leverage every tool to fix the situation but do remember that some of us have built platforms that prove it really is possible to architect for a re-humanizing and inclusive ethos.

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John Philpin's avatar

💯 we should start to think 'catalogue'

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John Philpin's avatar

I often think 'catalogue' - and then immediately after ask - how do we keep it updated?It’s a different area - but the cataloguing of apps in the IIW space, the Me2B space - it is almost too easy to start ... and then too difficult to continue - I have ideas on how to do it - but not the technical chops to do it myself - nor the budget to pay others ... BUT it is doable ... IF we Keep It Simple. Failure often happens by over complicating the spec.

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LaVonne Reimer's avatar

Yes, the names missing are important but yet more white males? If we are to reinvent tech, I submit we need to hand over the keys, so to speak, to the voices that have too often been drowned out.

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John Philpin's avatar

LaVonne

Very good catch - I was just complaining that they'd only talked to Young White Men - and hadn't talked to the Old White Men.😂

That said, though not obvious from the list of potential community sites at the end of the article

Mighty Networks was founded by a woman - who is the CEO.

The Guild was founded by two men, but their team of 3 advisors is 2/3 women - and in fact the 'Old White Male' that makes the three is Robin Dunbar, so a prety good 'old white male'

Groups.io seems to be a one 'man' band ...

Still - I think the potential alternatives for where the community moves to is well represented.

The writers I called out that hadn't been referenced in the movie are the ones I track and read. Would be good to know if I have missed any books by non old/white/men - though I suspect there is a certain amount of self-selection going on!

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Daniel Szuc's avatar

Nir Eyal is a worry

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John Philpin's avatar

can you elucidate?

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Daniel Szuc's avatar

Saw him present at a company in San Francisco and could see some wonky values in this rhetoric. But people seemed to eat up that shit, and thats why in some instances, silicon valley and that culture is toxic. Yet they have sold that template globally and look where we are.

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John Philpin's avatar

he must have been on the circuit at the time - I saw a similar presentation at Start Up Grind.

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