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John, Thanks for the shout out. Not sure what we are disagreeing on when it comes to values. My claim is not that they are absolute, only that they are omnipresent (at least among mammals) ;-).

Geoff

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Geoffrey - many thanks for the clarification - and apologies for my misunderstanding. When I read your words;

> "But values per se are universal, at least among mammals."

I interpreted ‘absolute’, whereas I now understand your real meaning - 'omnipresent'.

Now understood!

One day, I do want to bottom out the maths omission - but that is for another thread once I have put down my thoughts more clearly - don’t want to get that one wrong as well 😄.

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